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Got Interview?
I’m greeted with pink and blue sunrises out my bedroom window, through the palm trees, in the mornings. I’ll explore the back yard of the Rectors house with my coffee this morning. I’m not actually in Los Angeles. I’m in the southernmost town in the Diocese of Los Angeles, San Clemente. The rector’s home is about 20 miles away in Irvine.
Yesterday I interviewed a former female Marine. She loved the Corps and longs to be there again. She and her Marine husband made the choice to marry and have children, and she knew she couldn’t be both a Marine and mom, so when her time was up she left. She regaled me with fond memories of her experiences as a sergeant, both as a leader and one who was led. She currently works for the man behind the “Got milk?” ad campaign. She has found he things she learned in the Marine Corps have been extremely beneficial to her civilian life. She tells me that active duty Marines are likely to answer questions in a yes/no style. They will need to be coaxed to share freely, if at all. Good to know.
Later yesterday afternoon I spoke with a commander in the Navy - another female. Formerly active duty and about to retire, she’s been brought back to the reserves while we fight a war on terror. She has 23 years of military experience. She characterizes herself as jaded to the Navy. She shared some difficult stories of her experience of Navy leadership. She also spent some time as an enlisted person in the Air Force, where she says she learned far more about leadership than she has as a Naval officer. She was more interested in specific, rather than open ended questions. Once we got warmed up, she shares with me anecdotal stories about her leadership and the leadership he experienced that answered my questions nicely. She is highly intuitive, and when I pointed that out to her, her body language totally changed. She was more…um….disarmed…vulnerable. That’s when she shared the difficult stories. It’s interesting how close to the surface pain can be carried. I’m glad she sat down with me. It was very helpful.
Tomorrow I go to Camp Pendleton. I’ll speak with the base commander, some captains, lieutenants, and upper-level NCOs. I’m particularly interested in the sergeants who work with new recruits to make them Marines. I’d like to get a clearer understanding of how small group leaders approach their specific mission; how leaders of clusters of small units organize several missions into one, and how the base commander leads many, many small missions to achieve the goal of the collective Corps mission. I spoke with him on the phone yesterday, and we’re both looking forward to meeting and talking today.
Have camera. Will travel. Pictures on the way.
Thursday December 6:
Went to Camp Pendleton today. What a long drive. We have to use the south entrance, which is significantly further south than the closest entrance. Ah well. It was worth the wait. Three wonderful interviews: Colonel Habel, Regimental Commander, marine Recruit Training Depot; Captain Ross, Operations Officer; Sergeant Angulo, Drill Instructor. Before the interviews began I got to sit with the senior officers in the VIP viewing area to watch the ceremony where 600 men were given their Eagle Globe and Anchor and became Marines. Very cool. The last question I asked got the best answer ever.
Question: “What core values would you like the civilian world to embrace?”
Answer: “I wish they wouldn’t be so selfish. If one person didn’t know something and another person did, I wish that person would share that knowledge, and not keep it to himself. I would like them to always seek to better themselves, to improve, to learn.”
He answered this question from the bottom of his heart. I was so touched, and moved by this. What a wonderful way to end a day of interviewing.
These guys are so passionate about leadership. They each experienced a time when they had to follow a bad leader, and they described it in similar terms. They took it personally. Because the Marines put such a high value on effective leadership that it hurts them when it goes bad. The Colonel told me a story about several lieutenants who wanted to quit the Marines because the leader of their unit was so bad. The Colonel, at the time, was the officer in between those lieutenants and the leader that was bad. That’s how passionate these people are about leadership. He was able to cushion the impact of the leader to a good extent and the lieutenants stayed in the Corps. It’s inspiring, no?
My Rector friend was with me for most of the interviews and came away with new ideas too. We both share a similar passion for leadership as the Marines, though specific to the church and its parish and diocesan communities. Both our minds were quickly trying to figure out where the parallels are between the Marine Corps ethos and the Episcopal Church ethos, and how we could translate (for lack of a better term - import?) the effective dynamics from them to us.
Very tired tonight. Lots of driving. Still have to attend the weekly Martini Club. Then dinner. Then drive back to Irvine. Then bed. Tomorrow I’ll get a tour of the burn areas; lunch with another clergy member; airport; home. Beautiful as it is here, I miss Chicago and Ev’tn.